Fun :) I'd love to experience space deer yelling at my face in first person. They're so intense, yet cute.
It's cool reading about your personal process. Everyone diverges and their work is unique for it, and that is something I like about the world.
It's my tendency to extrapolate worldviews into an endless spectrum to avoid being mentally locked; perhaps "two steps before you make something" could be one of many possible processes. What if there were a third step, or just one step, or you combine steps (you hinted at that by saying it can be messy), or they were completely different? Then there is now an idea of "there can be steps before the main labor of a project" and those steps can be variable per project to make effects.
And what about extending that to having steps or not having steps, and getting different effects out of the choice of steps or no steps?
And what about throwing away "steps" and going orthogonal to that idea, such as having non-discrete continuous task-switching?
It's fun to cast a wide net of ideas. It's almost like I get bored of having an answer, so I try to find a rare new one that works just as well or potentially better ;)
If there's ever a Space Deer VR game I will make sure they will scream you in the face plenty ahah. Thank you!
I think you're right that this is one of many processes. I realize now that I wrote about two things at the same time. My way to go through this process. But there's an even bigger thing related to it that I think I should explore a bit more. It's sort of a "funnel", but a funnel is maybe too linear. I'm looking for the right way to visualize it right now...
It's useful to hear that your thinking/approach is so different.
To me it sounds like continuously switching tasks doesn't really change the fact that you still have to go through a certain process? Depends on a lot of things ofc
I used to resist having steps, I feel like now I've found kind of a nice middle ground where I have some rough steps that still allow me to play around a lot. They're not really holding me back, they're just giving me more freedom and propelling me.
I also get a bit bored once I find an answer but I'm starting to feel like I'm training my patience with sticking through and explaining things clearly by writing these newsletters.
Very nice, thank you for verbalizing this and responding. Some things float around in my head and don't get enough attention if not for others mentioning them.
> I feel like now I've found kind of a nice middle ground where I have some rough steps that still allow me to play around a lot
This is very possibly my favorite issue of Indie Notebook.
Not only do you nail a lot of things - I think - but you also do it in a whole-hearted and genuine way.
Also, personally, I am a sucker for anything to do with (the) creative process.
I've had similar revelations to do with my creative process. Steps that didn't seem like steps before it suddenly hit me that they were.
A way of putting it could also perhaps be that in order to be an artist, it actually isn't enough to just make art. Perhaps, in order to be an artist, one needs to BE an actual artist; tie one's shoes artistically, take a breath artistically and even be practical and realistic in an artistic way.
The part about the blank page really resonated with me, btw. The amount of terrible poems I've written about a blank piece of paper is considerable!
> This is very possibly my favorite issue of Indie Notebook.
That's great to hear! I felt something like that myself while writing it. Glad you thought it felt so genuine. This really came from the heart.
I had more to say about this, but had to restrain myself to keep the length down. I'll probably return to this subject. :- )
> I've had similar revelations to do with my creative process. Steps that didn't seem like steps before it suddenly hit me that they were.
I would love to hear what those steps were!
> A way of putting it could also perhaps be that in order to be an artist, it actually isn't enough to just make art. Perhaps, in order to be an artist, one needs to BE an actual artist; tie one's shoes artistically, take a breath artistically and even be practical and realistic in an artistic way.
I think you're definitely on to something there! I've been thinking that too and tried to push myself more in that direction. It's difficult though.
> The part about the blank page really resonated with me, btw. The amount of terrible poems I've written about a blank piece of paper is considerable!
Hahaha, I can imagine, I get the urge when you're in that state. x- )
I'm afraid I can't define those very clearly but I can try to paint a bit of a picture maybe.
So, it can sort of seem like that we live in a world where there are rules and that we as people need to obey these rules in order to get by - I sort of see poetry as the other, mirrored half to that: rules obeying the person. Rhyme schemes, structure, word choice, every single little part of the poem, serving the person.
Now, naturally, it seems like this could go very ugly in an egomaniacal kind of way. When you follow the ego, it becomes a game of "I need X because it will give me Y" - this, as far as I am concerned is just another example of the person obeying rules. They may be rules dictated by something inside of you but still rules, nonetheless. Like code in a program, or something.
So, in order to write poetry the way I want to write poetry, I need to set any sense of rule-following aside. What's left is nothing but person ; with rules circling around like little or massive moons - in the ideal, of course...
Many of the invisible steps in front of me therefore has to do with placing the person in center and the rules to the side.
I won't write if I don't feel like it, for example, so one step becomes to naturally get myself closer to actually wanting to write.
Another step for me, becomes to get out of my way and always allow "the person" (the intuition, the genuine inspiration or whatever you can call it) to move me forward. The poem isn't created by me - the conscious, verbal, rule-oriented thinker - but by something that's in me that is deeper and beyond that, ideally. The job for the thinking me becomes simply to support and record - not to create in any conventional sense of the word (although what I'm doing is still a crucial part of the process) .
So, another step becomes to actually figure out how to write without a "wounded and humiliated ego" , given its limited role in the process.
And from here, one can imagine a slew of small invisible steps needed to get a creative process like this to remotely work - and I'm still finding my way constantly.
Poetry is a crazy medium, however. In most circumstances what I've just written here may be too wild and diffuse.
Anyway, all of this goes straight into the territory of the other point about being an artist. None of these "steps" make any sense outside of the context of a lived life...
^This was fun and interesting to write. Longer than expected though, but what else is new? :D
This felt a bit 'out there' in a way, in a typical Hasse way, but I think I get you. You've kinda got two big searches going on, one that happens through living and another search about how to actually be a poet, and to be happy doing it.
I love this idea: "So, it can sort of seem like that we live in a world where there are rules and that we as people need to obey these rules in order to get by - I sort of see poetry as the other, mirrored half to that: rules obeying the person. Rhyme schemes, structure, word choice, every single little part of the poem, serving the person."
When I think about what type of game I want to make in the future I keep fixating on how I could use or bend the rules of the game I make so that they become as much part of what I want to express as the actual words that I put into it.
Your comment is long as usual, ahah! But there's so much to dig into. You could write a book or several blog posts with this stuff and I would happily gulp it up.
I would love to collaborate on a blog post about this kinda stuff with you!
Hehe, yes, very out there in a Hasse type of way... Glad you got something out of it.
I suppose you could categorize it as two searches I have going on (in life and in poetry). To me - once again-again - , going back to the point of being an artist, I would be more inclined to see it as one thing or perhaps one ecosystem of things.
Your thoughts about how rules in games might be used to express something are just like mine. Unlike you however, I don't have to sit and figure out how to actually do it - I can just sit in my couch and point at the screen. :)
If you have any idea for some type of a collab or you wanna talk about it, I'm open!
Fun :) I'd love to experience space deer yelling at my face in first person. They're so intense, yet cute.
It's cool reading about your personal process. Everyone diverges and their work is unique for it, and that is something I like about the world.
It's my tendency to extrapolate worldviews into an endless spectrum to avoid being mentally locked; perhaps "two steps before you make something" could be one of many possible processes. What if there were a third step, or just one step, or you combine steps (you hinted at that by saying it can be messy), or they were completely different? Then there is now an idea of "there can be steps before the main labor of a project" and those steps can be variable per project to make effects.
And what about extending that to having steps or not having steps, and getting different effects out of the choice of steps or no steps?
And what about throwing away "steps" and going orthogonal to that idea, such as having non-discrete continuous task-switching?
It's fun to cast a wide net of ideas. It's almost like I get bored of having an answer, so I try to find a rare new one that works just as well or potentially better ;)
If there's ever a Space Deer VR game I will make sure they will scream you in the face plenty ahah. Thank you!
I think you're right that this is one of many processes. I realize now that I wrote about two things at the same time. My way to go through this process. But there's an even bigger thing related to it that I think I should explore a bit more. It's sort of a "funnel", but a funnel is maybe too linear. I'm looking for the right way to visualize it right now...
It's useful to hear that your thinking/approach is so different.
To me it sounds like continuously switching tasks doesn't really change the fact that you still have to go through a certain process? Depends on a lot of things ofc
I used to resist having steps, I feel like now I've found kind of a nice middle ground where I have some rough steps that still allow me to play around a lot. They're not really holding me back, they're just giving me more freedom and propelling me.
I also get a bit bored once I find an answer but I'm starting to feel like I'm training my patience with sticking through and explaining things clearly by writing these newsletters.
Fun to hear your thoughts!
Very nice, thank you for verbalizing this and responding. Some things float around in my head and don't get enough attention if not for others mentioning them.
> I feel like now I've found kind of a nice middle ground where I have some rough steps that still allow me to play around a lot
Sounds great; I wish you well!
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that Space Deer comic. So fun!
Hm. Seems like you are searching for new ways of searching, Ash. Hehe
Those are some cool alternatives - including some programming language that is a bit out of my domain :)
:) I almost hope the search for searching never ends, at least to a small extent
This is very possibly my favorite issue of Indie Notebook.
Not only do you nail a lot of things - I think - but you also do it in a whole-hearted and genuine way.
Also, personally, I am a sucker for anything to do with (the) creative process.
I've had similar revelations to do with my creative process. Steps that didn't seem like steps before it suddenly hit me that they were.
A way of putting it could also perhaps be that in order to be an artist, it actually isn't enough to just make art. Perhaps, in order to be an artist, one needs to BE an actual artist; tie one's shoes artistically, take a breath artistically and even be practical and realistic in an artistic way.
The part about the blank page really resonated with me, btw. The amount of terrible poems I've written about a blank piece of paper is considerable!
> This is very possibly my favorite issue of Indie Notebook.
That's great to hear! I felt something like that myself while writing it. Glad you thought it felt so genuine. This really came from the heart.
I had more to say about this, but had to restrain myself to keep the length down. I'll probably return to this subject. :- )
> I've had similar revelations to do with my creative process. Steps that didn't seem like steps before it suddenly hit me that they were.
I would love to hear what those steps were!
> A way of putting it could also perhaps be that in order to be an artist, it actually isn't enough to just make art. Perhaps, in order to be an artist, one needs to BE an actual artist; tie one's shoes artistically, take a breath artistically and even be practical and realistic in an artistic way.
I think you're definitely on to something there! I've been thinking that too and tried to push myself more in that direction. It's difficult though.
> The part about the blank page really resonated with me, btw. The amount of terrible poems I've written about a blank piece of paper is considerable!
Hahaha, I can imagine, I get the urge when you're in that state. x- )
> I would love to hear what those steps were!
I'm afraid I can't define those very clearly but I can try to paint a bit of a picture maybe.
So, it can sort of seem like that we live in a world where there are rules and that we as people need to obey these rules in order to get by - I sort of see poetry as the other, mirrored half to that: rules obeying the person. Rhyme schemes, structure, word choice, every single little part of the poem, serving the person.
Now, naturally, it seems like this could go very ugly in an egomaniacal kind of way. When you follow the ego, it becomes a game of "I need X because it will give me Y" - this, as far as I am concerned is just another example of the person obeying rules. They may be rules dictated by something inside of you but still rules, nonetheless. Like code in a program, or something.
So, in order to write poetry the way I want to write poetry, I need to set any sense of rule-following aside. What's left is nothing but person ; with rules circling around like little or massive moons - in the ideal, of course...
Many of the invisible steps in front of me therefore has to do with placing the person in center and the rules to the side.
I won't write if I don't feel like it, for example, so one step becomes to naturally get myself closer to actually wanting to write.
Another step for me, becomes to get out of my way and always allow "the person" (the intuition, the genuine inspiration or whatever you can call it) to move me forward. The poem isn't created by me - the conscious, verbal, rule-oriented thinker - but by something that's in me that is deeper and beyond that, ideally. The job for the thinking me becomes simply to support and record - not to create in any conventional sense of the word (although what I'm doing is still a crucial part of the process) .
So, another step becomes to actually figure out how to write without a "wounded and humiliated ego" , given its limited role in the process.
And from here, one can imagine a slew of small invisible steps needed to get a creative process like this to remotely work - and I'm still finding my way constantly.
Poetry is a crazy medium, however. In most circumstances what I've just written here may be too wild and diffuse.
Anyway, all of this goes straight into the territory of the other point about being an artist. None of these "steps" make any sense outside of the context of a lived life...
^This was fun and interesting to write. Longer than expected though, but what else is new? :D
This felt a bit 'out there' in a way, in a typical Hasse way, but I think I get you. You've kinda got two big searches going on, one that happens through living and another search about how to actually be a poet, and to be happy doing it.
I love this idea: "So, it can sort of seem like that we live in a world where there are rules and that we as people need to obey these rules in order to get by - I sort of see poetry as the other, mirrored half to that: rules obeying the person. Rhyme schemes, structure, word choice, every single little part of the poem, serving the person."
When I think about what type of game I want to make in the future I keep fixating on how I could use or bend the rules of the game I make so that they become as much part of what I want to express as the actual words that I put into it.
Your comment is long as usual, ahah! But there's so much to dig into. You could write a book or several blog posts with this stuff and I would happily gulp it up.
I would love to collaborate on a blog post about this kinda stuff with you!
Hehe, yes, very out there in a Hasse type of way... Glad you got something out of it.
I suppose you could categorize it as two searches I have going on (in life and in poetry). To me - once again-again - , going back to the point of being an artist, I would be more inclined to see it as one thing or perhaps one ecosystem of things.
Your thoughts about how rules in games might be used to express something are just like mine. Unlike you however, I don't have to sit and figure out how to actually do it - I can just sit in my couch and point at the screen. :)
If you have any idea for some type of a collab or you wanna talk about it, I'm open!
I also love to sit on the couch and point at the screen. It's irresistable haha
I'll ping you some day about a collab for sure!